So he just blitzes and strands Clark there. The Speed-Force would presumably kill a non-speedster, if not Clark still has no way to escape. We saw him casually entering and exiting the Speed-Force multiple times without losing pace. If BFR is in play, Savitar can dump Clark in the Speed-Force. Plus there's the fact Clark can't see him anyway. On the other hand, Savitar is like a billion times faster, making Clark a literal statue. We haven't seen Savitar phase or time travel yet (he obviously can, but he still needs the feats), so he has no ensured way of hurting Clark. I'm gonna say Savitar if BFR is in play, and stalemate if it isn't. Even if you do subscribe to the show's faulty "Machs" he ends up around Mach 44,372 by scaling off Barry. This obviously all leads back to CW's consistency problems, but that point I'm trying to make is that Savitar is hella fast. So Barry while he was "Mach 2" had maximum speeds of around Mach 874,030. He even had several feats approaching, and 2 even exceeding, light speed. While he was "Mach 2", Barry had dozens and dozens of feats in the Mach Thousands. ![]() Now keep in mind those "Machs" the show uses are wildly inaccurate. They're certainly not gonna sustain this quantity, but for now it's what we've got. More important than this number though, is the fact that Savitar is approximently 1,479 times faster than Barry based on his feats so far. This makes Savitar's in-show speed about "Mach 44,372" if Barry is "Mach 30". This makes Savitar at least 34,045,302 mph. Now we simply apply that multiple by Savitar's minimum speed to a human (12,273 mph). This means Barry is roughly 2,774 times that speed. If we assume Barry is Mach 30 for this example, he's 23,019 mph. The average human runs for somewhat sustained distances at around 8.3 mph. Now let's scale a normal person's speed to Barry's, since the properties of the Speed-Force scale travel and reaction speed roughly equally. This ends up meaning a person (not even Savitar sized) would need to move about 12,273 mph to appear completely invisible (or vaguely perceivable when slightly slowed down or to an above average perception) to the human eye in this situation. Let's just use the dimensions the the train station for distance, since that turns out pretty irrelevant, so about 90 feet at least. The average human takes about 50ms to register an image. He could easily be much much much more than that, so this is a minimum speed.įor this let's scale Barry to the human eye. So let's go ahead and say Savitar in motion is fast enough for Barry to be unable to see, and that's at the least. Even when he slowed down to skewer cops (and only if you watch frame by frame) he could barely make out blurry glimpses of his form. Now keep in mind that when Savitar was in motion, all Barry could perceive was his lightning trail. ![]() I'd put Barry at least "Mach 30", probably higher, given how easily he took care of Zoom. Secondly, where are you getting Mach 30 from? We already know Zoom was about "Mach 25", and Barry was a good bit faster than him. That's good, but not remotely on Savitar's level. His top reaction feat in that movie was something like Mach 15 I believe. Evasion isn't exactly a tactic Clark has ever utilized. He might take flight to survey the battle field or get a better position, but he won't fly forever to avoid an opponent. He doesn't enter a fight without prior knowledge and think, "Why don't I fly around the earth at top speed to avoid an opponent that might be faster than me". ![]() I think it's pretty clear BFR would be the only definitive way to not call this a Flight Speed is pretty irrelevant (it's actually closer to Mach 1,000 based on some calcs a user did a while back), because Clark is not gonna stay airborne forever, flying at full speed. I'm not sure if that relates to his being able to retain enough speed to still appear as a white ball of light to Barry, even within a cell at Blackgate specifically designed by the Team to dampen Speedsters. That's assuming Savitar isn't actually able to directly manipulate the Speed-Force like he says he can, but even that seems wrong since he was able to retain his abilities even within the Speed-Force. Plus the only way to escape the Speed-Force is using the Speed-Force. Even if he survives the transition, within the Speed-Force he'll lose all his abilities. Even Cisco who has control over dimensional/spacial energy, couldn't actually enter the Speed-Frce without being destroyed. We already know non-Speedsters can't exist within the Speed-Force. If you mean fly out of the Speed-Force, that's impossible based on everything we've heard on the show so far. Plus he can't, and likely won't in character, stay airborne forever. ![]() Barry has jumped hundreds of feet in the air while only "Mach 2", so Savitar who by scaling is at least in the high "Mach Hundreds" should be able to counter flight pretty easily.
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